Indiana Jones and Die Hard are Basically the Same Series

2008 May 21

I’ve had this theory for a while now — ever since the fourth installments were announced for both series. They were two of the great trilogies, and they had to be milked for more cash years down the road. Star Wars fell to the same fate, even more spectacularly, though. I figured with Indiana Jones and Kingdom of the Crystal Skull coming out at midnight, this would be a good time, especially since this 4th Indiana Jones movie might screw up my theory. Let me string out all the parallels between the two series so you can see how similar they really are.

Die Hard and Raiders of the Lost Ark

- Held up as classics within their genre, and are always brought up when it comes to discussing the most entertaining movies of all-time.

- Anything else I could say here is encompassed by the fact that they are both incredible movies.

(If it weren’t for Star Wars, I could say that they both made their stars action heroes.)

Die Harder and Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom

- The black sheep within their respective series.

- Arguably “darker” than the other installments. One has a plane full of people crashing, the other has hearts being ripped out.

- The weakest sidekicks. One has an annoying Asian kid and a screaming woman, while the other has a janitor and a weird-sounding black dude.

Die Hard with a Vengeance and Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade

- Usually regarded as the second-best in their series, with some people preferring these over the originals (these people are insane, though).

- Star power in the sidekick role. Samuel L. Jackson and Sean Connery bring the awesome.

- A return to the villains of the original. The former has the brother of the villain of the original, the latter brings the Nazis back.

Live Free or Die Hard and Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (this is before me seeing the latter)

- Released over a decade after the 3rd installment.

- Probably the most ridiculous premise of each series.

- Young white guy sidekick. One annoying, and one not-as-annoying. (NONONONONO)

- More noticable CG effects than the other three combined (from what I saw in the trailer).

Ok, I’m obviously pushing it here with the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. I haven’t seen it, so I shouldn’t be comparing. But I can also make some distinctions with the fourth movies in these series.

Live Free or Die Hard basically only had Bruce Willis back, and it had a lower MPAA rating than the rest of the series. Kingdom of the Crystal Skull has Spielberg directing — just like the other three — which is obviously very important. Only Die Hard 1 and 3 had John McTiernan behind the camera, and it showed. The excuse for Temple of Doom comparatively sucking is Spielberg giving Lucas too much say.

In summary, I feel like this installment of Indiana Jones isn’t going to be the debacle that Live Free or Die Hard was, but I can’t see it stacking up to the two best Indiana Jones films. If anything, it has a shot at eclipsing Temple, much like some people feel Live Free or Die Hard surpassed Die Harder. I’m not even sure I can give it that, as Live Free can barely be called a Die Hard film.

And if you cite the high critic ratings — Live Free and Die Hard was well-reviewed too. Watch the fans of the series rank this installment where it really belongs. I really do hope it’s high, I just doubt it.

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  • BlueTsunami

    Indy owned. This is the writeup of forever

  • GhaleonEB

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  • CajoleJuice

    Now that doesn’t seem very Ghaleon-like.

  • Skiptastic

    If you thought that this film had a chance of eclipsing Temple of Doom, you thought wrong. Entertaining, yes, but not as good as Temple.

    But then again, I think Temple was better than Crusade, so what do I know?

  • dudleydawson

    I just watched the Last Crusade the other day and it dawned on me how it was very similar to Dan Brown’s “DaVinci Code” Both have people following clues to find the holy grail.

    great write up, and I will agree with you that the 2nd installment in each was the weakest of the trilogy. Have not seen the 4th of either, yet.

  • joe

    I dunno if you were the only one to see the similarities on this one, I’ve always seen a bit of similarities in the two series in terms of quality, and the reception to Kingdom of the Crystal skull is just as I suspected….except that it may be worse. My buddy who saw LFoDH with me (we agreed that it was a good enough entry, albeit more over the top than ever with a shit villain) often knows what he’s talking about when we talk movies & he saw Indy at midnight last night….and did not have excellent things to say. He actually put it kind of “meh”, while his girlfriend (who also saw LFoDH with us and agreed) called it fucking awful and an abomination to the series.

    SO, I dunno. The similarities may be debunked (unfortunately). I’m kinda scared of wasting money on it now (the rest of my friends have been totally scared off). Looks like I’ll just bootleg it. When would a decent torrent show up for a film with this wide of release? Can’t be much more than a week, right?

  • CajoleJuice

    I was hoping Spielberg would keep it decent at least. :\

    I really don’t know the timetable on movie bootlegs — I’m not too big on downloading/watching them.

  • joe h

    me neither, but this is really a film you have to see, just so you know what you’re talking about. Typically, my movie resources have a conclusive opinion on what a movie’s like – no one can describe this movie to me. It’s fucking bizarre, like an anomaly of filmmaking. I’ve got to see it just to see how much of an outcast really is. I’m expecting some wacky shit.

    BTW, most people are blaming this one on Lucas, saying Spielberg really added none of his usual touches to the film (outside of his latest case of “far too optimistic” endings). A lot of people IRL describe it to me as the “Mutt & Indy” show rather than just a straight indy film. Like, he uses his whip only twice or something. Seriously, what the fuck.

    Some dude I know was like “I have no clue what I saw…good or bad…but it surely wasn’t an Indiana Jones movie.”

  • CajoleJuice

    If that last statement is true, then my theory holds perfectly!

  • joe h

    Then again, the person said basically the same thing about casino Royale, so I dunno!

    All the torrents out now seem to be poor quality. Probably be something good by Monday or so.

  • CajoleJuice

    Oh and Skip, I’m going with the general consensus here on ranking the films. I personally haven’t watched Temple or Crusade in a while. Shit, I can’t remember the last time I watched Temple.

  • joe h

    I’m gonna watch them all tonight. I haven’t seen any of them in ages. Shit, watching Raiders atm and I don’t think I ever saw this movie the whole way through – god damn, there’s some mean gore in this film!

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    Very insightful. And he still is, actually.

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    I personally think Wesley Snipes is better than Samuel Jackson. My point is best seen in the greatness of Blade series over Pulp Fiction. I mean the man is intrepid enough to avoid his taxes after Blade Trinity and all Sam does is Snakes on a Plane. Die Hard does suck.

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